thank you all for joining us. todd, we're talking about congress. this is a big moment for congress, obviously. but give us the perspective from the president's point of view. how important a moment right now is this going to be a test for president obama. >> i think it's a very big moment and sets the term for a second term. he thinks i has the public behind him and campaigned on these issues and won. the problem is, individual members of the house who outpolled him in their districts don't share that view so i think the stakes are very high for him and he has got to deliver something too and he knows it and that's why he's back here and maybe something will happen in the next 24 hours. >> you've seen the polls, governor pawlenty, by a large margin people right now are blaming republicans for this mess and made it clear if we go over the fiscal cliff, it's going to be republicans that will pay the price. >> well, the polls, of course, are a reflection of a moment if time but, you know, i had some of these issues in minnesota. i had the first govern